Welcome And Guest Introduction

Terri Fisher 0:00

What's up, Denver event professionals? Welcome back to another episode of the Denver Nace Podcast, where we interview incredible event professionals from our local industry. I am your host, Jared Judge, music director of Extreme Strings Electric Violins. And I'm joined today by a very special guest who I've actually worked with a couple times. And Terri is an incredibly talented person. She is a very strong professional, and you've probably seen her work at many events in our industry. So welcome to the podcast, Terri Fisher, who runs Five Star Talent and Entertainment. Thanks for being here. Thank you very much. Thank you, Nace, and thank you, everyone.

What A Full Service Agent Does

Jared Judge 0:35

Yeah, it's it's great to have you here, especially because we've worked together. So I've seen your work firsthand and you're very good at what you do. If you wouldn't mind just giving our listeners an overview of what is Five Star Talent and Entertainment.

Terri Fisher 0:47

You bet. My name is Terri, as he said. I own Five Star Talent and Entertainment. We are in our 26th year, and I am a full service entertainment agent.

Jared Judge 0:57

What does that mean? What is full service entertainment agent?

Terri Fisher 1:00

That means I have the privilege of working with um incredible musicians, bands, DJs, comedians, Santa Clauses, models, um, the unusual, the dueling pianos, casino people, uh photographers. There isn't anything we can't do from carousel operators to 10 embossing, apparently, um, that we're working on. So I'm full service. Um, people challenge me all the time with um their unique requests for their um entertainment. Maybe they want something that's circ related, maybe they want champagne ladies, whatever it may be, whatever the event is what we do to try to satisfy their needs and to be creative and create that memorable experience when we're done.

Jared Judge 1:39

Okay, that is awesome. How did you get involved in all of this?

Terri Fisher 1:45

Accidentally. Um, I used to be um I used to be an HR director for Sheraton Corporation many years ago. I actually opened the shirts in Lakewood. I closed the shirts in Denver, which was on Quebec. It's a Sonic Burger now. I have the privilege of doing entertainment at the shirts in Denver downtown. So there's my three tic-tac-toe. Uh when Sheraton left Colorado, I ended up owning a um a company called World Entertainment with my brother. We worked with original bands. We had a recording studio. We actually back in the day shopped cassettes, if you can believe that, uh, to the labels, looking for deals for musicians that were looking for the next opportunity to be in the music business. Uh, yes, I still know some of those people. And from there, I decided um I really enjoyed the other side. There's two sides of the music business. There's the original side, there's the cover side. The original side means you're really hoping to get that deal, that opportunity, that next moment for that musician, that opportunity for their song to make it. And back in the days, guys, you have to remember we didn't have social media.

Jared Judge 2:46

Yeah.

Terri Fisher 2:46

So we did it the hard way. You shopped the tape the three songs and hope for a deal. Um, you recorded songs and and and went from there. Today, uh, when I started Five Star back in um 26 years ago, I decided I like the cover side, doing the weddings, doing the corporate events, uh, doing the country clubs, doing the festivals, and just started just doing it and made a business out of it. I can't believe I'm actually 26 years in business now.

Jared Judge 3:11

So that's awesome. How did you like what was like the first moment you realized, oh, there is there's an opportunity here to provide entertainment for events?

Terri Fisher 3:22

Uh well, back when I was doing world entertainment and people would call and ask me to do entertainment for weddings or corporate events. I would refer them to my my peers that are all still, quite a few of them are still around today. Um, and just sort of the relationships with sending my business opportunities to them. And then one day I decided to do it on my own. I really don't know why anyone signed my contracts back in the day, but you know, or uh what what was a wedding, what processional recessional, you know, what I wasn't first, I'm not a music person. I don't sing, I don't dance, and I don't paint faces. Everyone else does. But I did realize there was a need for somebody with business skills, which I come from, like I said, I was an HR training and security director for Sheraton. So I brought my skills to the entertainment world and realized it was something I enjoyed. Um, my brother did tell me I dressed up way too much that musicians don't dress up. Um I'm looking at you, I think you dressed up very nice.

Jared Judge 4:17

Thank you.

Terri Fisher 4:17

But um I would still wear the heels of the dress to work every day to mute with the different musicians. But I there was just a need to do something um that uh I I enjoyed it. It was something different, especially when you're not skilled in something and you get to go and make a difference with somebody. It was just amazing. And I I gotta tell you, Jared, one of my favorite things to do is cold calling. Wow. Yes, I still like doing that today, everyone. Um, I still love getting my foot in the door. So really I I just felt I was good at um, I think you can be good at anything you do. I just happen to make my music and entertainment and made that a business.

Jared Judge 4:54

Oh, that's awesome. I love hearing like this is how it transformed into your passion.

Terri Fisher 4:58

It did.

Jared Judge 4:58

And it was, was it like some of the first events that when you got that feedback from the client that, hey, my event went so well, the the talent you provided was incredible. Was that the the reward moment or did you get to attend some of these events?

Terri Fisher 5:11

Oh, yes. Many years back we had the NBA All-Star here in Colorado. And I had the privilege, it's kind of funny to know they were just around. Um, I had the opportunity to do a proposal for them, and I just did different and got the opportunity. So um, over the years, just um doing different and being creative. I'm not necessarily creative. I just use what I knew to be creative and make it work. So um and of course, back in the day too, we also struggled with 9-11 happening shortly after I started, and we had to find a way to get back to um people enjoying music and diversions and families getting away from the TVs and the the sadness that that brought. So I I've been challenged all my years through many things, whether it's been uh market crashes or COVID or or like I said, 9-11. There have been many things that have gotten in the way, but you just keep jumping back in there and um and uh finding a way to get those those entertainment moments. Like I said, some of the events I had over the years have been really, really fun.

Jared Judge 6:10

Yeah.

Terri Fisher 6:11

And uh I just keep on doing them.

Booking Process From First Call

Jared Judge 6:13

That's awesome. So what like if a client were to work with you right now, what is your process start to finish?

Terri Fisher 6:20

If you call me today, I work with two things. I need to know your date and your financial guideline. Without the the details, it's kind of you know, it's pointless to waste time. Um, I won't do a proposal without details. And then from there, um, I'm I'm more the personal touch. I know people like to do things through text messaging, uh, emails. I like still the old-fashioned way, and maybe because then I'm done it this way my way for a while, and I want to keep it personal. So I start with the basics, you know, and how do we elevate that that that request? You know, if they're asking for the guitar player, maybe they have three more days that they are needing um entertainment that's elevated, and that's worked for me well, just just asking questions. But you don't get that information by an email. You get that information by talking to them, gathering the information, and and it starts from there.

Jared Judge 7:11

Okay, cool. So you get the information, then you start to formulate some ideas of how to how to put it together. You put a proposal.

Terri Fisher 7:19

I do a proposal, all my proposals are based on people's availability. Uh, one thing I don't do is I don't just send out blind proposals. I spend a little personal time making sure people are available, gathering the details because what's a Saturday and a load in at three may be different than a Tuesday during a work time at four. So gathering the details and availability, I think gives the client comfort of knowing that that person's available. Educating the client that you can't hold people for six months is a whole different ballgame, but at least you start start with let's give them something that's that's remarkable and based on what they're looking for. So, but yes, it is it does take time to do proposals.

Jared Judge 7:57

Yep.

Terri Fisher 7:58

Um, but I think that's that's been one of my success successes, I believe, in my business world.

Jared Judge 8:03

Cool. And so the proposals in their hand, let's say the client says, yes, we're doing it. What's next for them? Paperwork.

Terri Fisher 8:09

Okay, lots of paperwork. Uh, yes, I'm a fanatic about, and all of you who know me, uh getting contracts done, invoicings done, the basics, you know, nothing hard, but making sure the artists are contracted. And my contracts are complete. So I don't have to do later follow-up details. Everything's already there. Right. Everybody already knows who they're reporting to, who they're uh checking in with, what to find, what to wear. Just all the basics to keep wanting paperwork all simple. It's not simple, but but it's necessary.

Jared Judge 8:40

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. That's one thing I appreciated about working with you a couple of times is you made everything super clear for me as a musician, including parking vouchers be uh provided upon arrival. Right. And that just makes life easier on both sides of the equation. It does. Parking and meals.

Terri Fisher 8:56

And also, Jared, I do a lot of churchy things. As you know, you've you've also helped me uh with some of the things that I've done, like serving up hope. And and but you've also worked at the church for me, ironically. Now that I'd say something out loud, you you've done a couple other events with me in the past. Um, but details I think are important, but gathering them in advance versus last minute, I think helps the artists and the client know what they're getting.

Jared Judge 9:18

Yeah.

Terri Fisher 9:18

And you know what you need. And I'm a stickler, guess, about parking. I'm a stickler about their meals, is there bottled water? I think I think sometimes I'm not a musician, so I try to respect the time that musicians put into loading a car. Maybe they did a rehearsal before that event. Um, I think musicians need to people need to realize it's not just about the two hours they perform. It's probably eight hours of their day with loading, preparing their songs. Did they do downloads? People think downloads just happen automatically today, which they do more so than they used to. Um, getting there, arrivals, parking, wear, loading in, setting up sound checks, and tear down time. So people think, well, two hours, why should I feed them? No, they're really there six hours. So you try to help make it comfortable for both sides of the um clients um and the entertainers' expectations at the end of the day.

Jared Judge 10:13

For sure. Okay, so then let's talk about the event happens. And then is there anything that happens afterwards? Do you check in with the clients, quality control, things like that?

Event Day Details That Matter

Terri Fisher 10:24

Well, I like to prime myself if you all again know me. I tend to be pretty visible at most of my events and meetings. Um, I just think that keeps relations. Um, you find out so much more when you show up, but it's really to say thank you to the musician, thank you to the client. Um, so mine's more personal. It's really the then, oh, I should be better, I admit. For all of you, I've never seen a thank you card too. I should do that. But I also know I've been in person to say thank you. Hey, I got a handshake. Maybe I did pictures. Oh, I need to post more of those. I am guilty of that. But um it's the follow-up and saying thank you. Yeah, musicians are usually paid on site when I can. So I pride myself on on those little extras. And after the event, ask for next year. Um, I will say I would plan this as asked that we did such a great job for them. They want us to work for them in San Diego. Oh, nice. So uh another one just had us in in Ohio um because we did a great job here. So I think the follow-up is important, but doing a great job when they're here is most important.

Quality Control For Talent

Follow Up And Repeat Business

Jared Judge 11:22

Yeah. For sure. Well, that's awesome. I did want to ask a little bit about, you know, how do you ensure that you're providing a quality product each time? Because as you mentioned, you're not the musician, you're not the one performing. And I think this question is also going to be helpful to some of the musicians and DJs who also listen to this podcast. How do you make sure like the client gets exactly the best?

Terri Fisher 11:47

Well, first you should know them. So I can say that 90% of the artists I work with I know. Um, when we did the job out of town, I didn't know the musicians, but we could tell from the conversations, the Zoom calls at their websites were incredible. So if you are a musician, is your product one that's worth sending? Is it black and white? Do you have t-shirts on? Do you look professional? Do you have some current songs? Or does it sound like you just did something in your basement at a rehearsal? There is a difference. Your references now some people need to be given a start. I can say I've given a lot of people their start in the corporate world. Um, but they worked hard or they waited a year for me to make sure they were still together. So I there's a lot of musicians I don't work with yet because I don't think they're ready. And a lot of musicians I've worked with a ton because they were ready and you could count on them.

Jared Judge 12:40

Yeah.

Terri Fisher 12:41

I, Terri Fisher, do not have to babysit anyone I work with because I work with professionals and you are professionals in this industry. Um, if you're not, you're probably not gonna work with me. And but you can tell. And I think the name of your group makes a difference too. Uh, do you have a band name that's a professional and proper for a festival for a corporate event? Um, did you think about that when you were creating your name, which goes back to back in the days when we did the original bands? You know, and and just if you look at your product, are you happy with your product? Do you like what you're seeing? Would you book yourself for that wedding? Would you book yourself for that corporate event? Or did you just book yourself for the festival or the corporate event or the bar? So the quality of who you are makes the difference of what I believe that I want to work with.

Jared Judge 13:29

Yeah.

Terri Fisher 13:29

But I have given people chances and clients also know it's the first time I'm working with them because everyone deserves a chance as well. So it is a little bit of both.

Jared Judge 13:38

Yeah, for sure. Well, cool. Um, then two follow-up questions. How do artists ensure that they get consistently rehired by you? And then the uh opposite of that is how do artists make sure that they never get hired by you again?

How Artists Stay Rehireable

Terri Fisher 13:55

Well, I haven't really had that experience. So um being re opportunities to work back with me again or let's use covid. Covid was a finer thing. Did you stay up to date? Did you follow up and say hi? Did you even check and see how we're doing? Did you see if we're still in business and did you maintain your quality? Now maybe you had to do rehearsals through Zoom, but did you? I think effort is is something I look at there as well. So who who didn't stay in touch? I mean, it's impossible for uh it's impossible for me to know every client out there because most of the clients keep changing to other jobs, but because you're out there, you find that. Yeah, but musicians just have to keep reinventing themselves. And in today's social media world, are are you being current? Are you do you even have a social media page? It doesn't have to be about every event you're at. Maybe it is those rehearsals, maybe it is talking about each of your band members, maybe it is getting people excited about who you are or the next date that you have coming up. So I look at all of those things. Um, not everybody has a website today. So the social media is important, but is it 12 years old? Right. Or is it yesterday? So keeping current, I think, plays a rule, but um, that that's how I keep looking at who I'd like to keep working with. And then they did a great job when I was out there. I didn't have to go and see that they didn't do a good job because they do. Doesn't mean somebody, I just went to a national artist that did a show in Pont West Palm Beach. She did not deliver a good show. Oh, she had an off night. Why would she have an off night? People do have off nights, they're given that um sometimes. But you don't want to have an off night in musicians' world. You need to be on top of your game or don't do your show because it can't impact you. But I work with those and I don't, I mean, I don't know. I don't, I don't know of anyone that I wouldn't work with that I haven't worked with. Uh and I guess I pride myself on that now that you ask that question backwards. Um, and if you are out there and somebody has to work with me, let's get back on track because I don't know who you are. I I mean I really don't know.

Jared Judge 15:56

Yeah.

Terri Fisher 15:56

Jared, you like working with me.

Jared Judge 15:58

I do, yeah. Why? I think it's because, like we talked about, you're a details person. And so I know when when I get a request from you, I know that it's gonna go very smoothly from start to finish. Okay. I know that I'll be taken care of because you take care of your artists. And I also know that the opportunities are gonna be good. Like you're not just gonna throw me in a bar and pay me 200 bucks.

Terri Fisher 16:21

Well, I have done that to people. Have you? No, I try not to, but there are times that that you get these interesting requests and things you have to say no to, you know. But thank you. Thank you for the kind words. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, for sure. But I think it's a relationship that works back and forth. Um, but communication, I really if all you are listening out there, just an email to say, hey, how you doing? Don't forget about us that here's our latest update on whatever it may be. If you haven't, then you might be missing the boat with a reminder. There are some people I can't remember who they all are since five years ago. And I'm like, gosh, reach out to me. And if you let your websites go, well, that or your YouTube go. Well, YouTube's a whole different bet game, but don't let your websites go. And mine's really bad right now. I got updated, but it's still there. Sure, you know, so that's something that's delightful for people to look at. But you know, you just uh it's it's friendliness, it's respect, it's courtesy. Um, I wish musicians did a little better job on doing their proposals for me because I'm supposed to guess what they want me to say.

Jared Judge 17:21

Yeah.

Terri Fisher 17:22

So I've had to become an expert to make them look good. So I hope there is appreciated. Okay.

Why Planners Use An Agency

Jared Judge 17:28

Oh, yeah. For sure. So it sounds to me like one of the big things that you bring to the table is communication, which is just so important every step of the way. And a lot of musicians, they're artists, they tend to be in their own, you know, world for a lot of it. And so doing the business, which a lot of business is communicating with people, right? That's not their strong suit. This kind of brings me to a the next question I wanted to ask, which is what would you say are like the benefits of working with an enter a town and entertainment agency like yourself as opposed to going to individual artists?

Terri Fisher 18:02

Well, first of all, I want to go back to communication. I want to have add another word, enthusiasm. Are you enthusiastic about what you do? And I don't care if you're the hairdresser, the real estate, the computer guy, the entertainment person. And I don't think saying musicians are just musicians. I don't agree with that. Okay, I think being enthusiastic about being a musician makes the difference. Are you enthusiastic about who you are and what you do? If you're not, you've probably let something slide. Um, what was the next question? I did spy mine.

Jared Judge 18:32

Oh, yeah. So this was about like why should event planners work with an agency as opposed to individual artists?

Terri Fisher 18:38

Because I, well, I can't speak for all my peers, but I I believe, yeah, we might people sometimes think we make more money. Sometimes we get deals and you pay less money. And I've proved that many times to people. I mean, I don't work for free, and but neither does the entertainment event planner. Sure. Okay. But you I'm working with people that I feel are are going to bring your event um the end result of what you want, and that is spectacular, that is amazing. That is, we want you back. And we did a good job, and you have to babysit us. So I event planners don't have to go out to the streets and call 20 people and not know them. I try pride myself on knowing who I work with, you know, and a uh entertainment people also. I'll have people say, I don't want to book myself. Well, guess what? You need to. Um, it isn't up to me to go book you and find a job while you're home. And that was the attitude when I had the reporting studio. Well, we'll get a deal. When you get us a deal, we'll rehearse. Your job doesn't end because you didn't work this week or next week. You should be creating new new products for your songs, your music. Yeah, how you deliver it is a little bit different. What did you make to do it exciting? It isn't up to me to make you look good. It's up to you to look good. Okay. Yeah. So it does. So I know those people that are working hard to do that. Like I just talked to a band recently, and they're like, Yeah, we're really a couple people left, and I don't know if I want to put the time into it. So it's the effort, your efforts, and there are some people, they kill it out there with their marketing, their pictures, their rehearsals. They spend a lot of money, but they end up making a ton of money. So you you get out of it what you put into it. And me as an agent gets to see who's putting it out there, who's working hard, who's delivering that. And event planners can count on us. And I would like to say my 26 years is a reference all by itself. Um, I just got my 25th anniversary uh award from the city of Westminster. Congratulations. As a matter of fact, I will share. I thought you got one at five years, and they said, Oh, sweetheart, you have to be 25 years at business. So I've achieved that goal. I would like to say that my longevity brings credibility to who I am and what I do and who I work with and why, but you're constantly building relationships. So people out there, are they the event planner, you're the hotel, you're the caterer catering company, you're the country club, work with the people that you also believe in and can count on trust. And I bring trust to the table.

Jared Judge 21:06

Awesome.

Terri Fisher 21:07

And that's what I bring. I I bring honesty and trust to an event and something reliability.

Jared Judge 21:14

Yeah, for sure.

Terri Fisher 21:14

That there's that too. And when you work with an agent and something happens, well, youth COVID, uh, so-and-so had COVID, they can't play tomorrow night. You can call that agent and know that you might be able to get a backup plan. But if you work with that band directly, you probably don't have a backup plan. I said, maybe to my son. Anyway, that's awesome. Um, so yes, so we bring we bring backup plans. You know, did you work with the one DJ who got sick and his tire blew out? Or do you have a team of professionals that you have as a backup plan? People don't think all those things sometimes when they're working with an agent.

Jared Judge 21:46

Right.

Terri Fisher 21:46

So we bring we bring reliability and a backup plan as well, which is super important because musicians get sick. Yes, they do.

Jared Judge 21:53

Tires get flat.

Terri Fisher 21:54

I've had them all. Snowstorms come alive, you know. I mean, in in all my 26 years, I've only had One snowstorm that shut this town down. People couldn't get to their jobs. You work through that, you work through those challenges and you work together. Um, I will tell people who are listening, you know, my contracts are pretty straightforward. You hire the musician, you're getting that musician for that day, barring any accident illness or death. I can't predict those things. Um, but you're not gonna cancel on me either with that responsibility because that musician also didn't cancel on you. And I also think that's something people have to respect value. Um, if that musician, XYZ band said they're available on that date, they're not gonna go look for another event and get more money.

Jared Judge 22:34

Yeah.

Terri Fisher 22:35

Now I have had that a couple of times where somebody got such an incredible opportunity that you call the client and you work through it.

Jared Judge 22:41

Sure.

Terri Fisher 22:41

Because that person's like, oh, they just got this amazing job with the symphony or something and corpus crispy or something. And and you want them to go have that job. And so does the client. So they're working with an agent gives you that flexibility to have backup plans. Yeah. So that's awesome. On both sides, the artist and the client. Okay.

Networking Through NACE And Visibility

Jared Judge 22:58

Very much so. Very cool. We're getting close to the end of our podcast. And of course, this is the Denver NACE podcast. Yes. So could you share with me a bit about how NACE has contributed to your empire and what like what are your recommendations for people who are not currently involved in networking groups like NACE?

Terri Fisher 23:18

I love NACE. Um, maybe some of you don't know. I used to be on the board back in the day for four years as a membership, and I helped build NACE back in the day with some incredible NACE board members at the time, uh, family they, you know, other commitments. I was b I belonged to 13 organizations and eight charities, and you could I couldn't do them all. And then when COVID came along, I had to make decisions. But NACE just stands out to me. They're they're so kind. Um yeah, I've sponsored a couple events recently and I won the door prize last week, which was really a special day. But they're really nice people. But any organization, I'm not just gonna say NACE because I belong to many, and I know this is about NACE, but any organization that somebody chooses to belong to, you have to go to it. You have to make it whether it's a chamber event, whether it's another organization or that's similar. There's 13 that will make up MPI, for example. Uh, if you belong and you get involved, results happen. Not in a day. You got to be there for a year. You gotta contribute, give be your give your time, show up, and be visible. That's my big thing, is be visible and and things will come around. My business didn't start in a day, it started over time and energy to get out there, pound the pavement. You're the musician. My I wish I could have the guitar go out there and play it every place I walked into. You get to do that. I don't. I have to go and sell myself. Yeah, you know, so be persistent, be patient, but be involved and be active in any organization. But I love NACE and I came back. I can't say enough good things about the members and the people that are part of NACE, and that's why I'm back.

Jared Judge 24:57

Awesome. Well, we love we love having you. Thank you. Um, were there any questions you wish I asked this episode that I didn't?

Terri Fisher 25:05

Oh gosh. No, I I I am delighted to be here. And Jared, you're you're kind, and I think it's awesome that you're doing this, and and that I've gotten to work with you because you're, by the way, this guy's super talented. He's super good. I don't always get him as often as I want. Um, but uh no, I I mean do your social media. I'm not sure why my my social media page, you can follow us on Facebook if you like. I think I still have 36,000, 38,000 followers, which for an agent buy me another agent that has that consistency even after COVID, I've still stayed up there.

Jared Judge 25:36

Yeah.

Terri Fisher 25:37

Um, and I don't even get everything posted. So I need to do more of that. I'm guilty, but y'all, but but you know, I live life and don't always get life posted. But do do more of that. I need to do more of that. I will be the first one to say that, you know. So um just be be, but I I I'm also visible out there. So use whatever tools you can to make it work for you. Don't count on me to pound the pavement for you. I pound the pavement for five star representing, I don't represent anyone officially, but representing all musicians and everyone that's in this world or production companies or photographers or cake people, you know, um, whatever it may be, I'm there to tell people your story. Um, together we can make our journey together. So I'm not, I don't want to just tell people I just do entertainment. I'm a full service, you know, you go at the casino tables, whatever. I have wonderful partners. Um, everyone I work with is a partner, I believe, and a valued um peer that I have the pleasure of working with. So if I had one thing to say, build your relationships with your peers because they're gonna be be your best resource along the way. Yeah. So that that would be one thing I recommend. So be visible, uh, be reliable, um, and and get out there and build those relationships all the way around.

Where To Find Terry And Closing

Jared Judge 26:49

Oh, that's beautiful. And so, last question of of the afternoon where can people find out more about five-star talent and entertainment?

Terri Fisher 26:56

Oh, sitting right here in my loop.

Jared Judge 26:58

That is the best one.

Terri Fisher 27:00

You can always find me on my cell phone. Oh my gosh, imagine that. No, I do have a Facebook page, um, I have an Instagram page, a LinkedIn page, I believe I have a Twitter page, I don't do as much on. But I am more just email me at Terri T-E-R-R- I at five staracts.com. It's the five and five s t-a-r-a-c-t-s. Not axe, a x. You don't want to axe me up, but um five star axe.com. You can like social media. Um, like I said, Thayer is my social media guy and does incredible keeping my page alive even without all the content I should. Oh, that's one thing I want to say. When you do content on social media, don't just do it about your band. Mix it up with maybe there's something going on at Red Rocks, or we have the Sundance Festival coming. Uh mix it up with other things. People want to know other things that are going on in your world that are related, but not about just you. So if you're new and you're just doing rehearsals, mention other things that are going on around you and get people excited about you and the fact that you are sharing this beautiful city of Denver or maybe the mountains or maybe wherever you reside. Share other things that are non-related to just you. And I think that's one of the things that's helped keep our uh keep us up there. So social media, uh Terri Five Star or on Instagram. Um, I do more stories than I do my little posts, but I I say anywhere you can be active, visible, and currently involved. Well, and and that's where you find me is all these things, okay? Um, being involved and um and my office number, 303-6351210. There's that.

Jared Judge 28:28

That's awesome. Well, thank you so much. You were a wonderful guest. I really enjoyed you chatting with you. And so we're gonna wrap it up here just by asking our members, thank you so much for listening. As a reminder, this is a part of the Denver NACE chapter that is N-A-C-E, stands for the National Association for Catering and Events. So if you're interested in checking us out and meeting talented people like Terry, then uh please come and find us, come to our next meeting. I hope to meet you personally, and I hope you get to meet Terry as well.

Terri Fisher 28:57

I do, Jared. Thank you. This has been awesome. And thank you for coming out and being here. And thank you for all of you who tune into this um what I consider my first social network podcast. So here we are.

Jared Judge 29:09

And I think Terri rocked it.

Terri Fisher 29:11

Thank you.

Jared Judge 29:11

All right, well, take care, see you at your our next event.